I found several genealogies of different families that reported John,
and gave his year of birth, but none had any further information.
None of these gave any documentation so I had no basis to make a
determination or clues to follow for further research. I consulted
Doug Green, James Moore Green's grandson, and he informed me that
John died at birth.
Most genealogies consider John's mother to be Lucretia Franklin. The
Shoemaker genealogy, and perhaps others, reports a second wife of
Meshack as his mother, Mary Polly Wiseman. However, this conflicts
with the report in Meshack's will in 1800 that his surviving wife is
Lucretia (Creasy).
Compilations on this generation of Greens are mostly confused and
several generations seem compressed into one, and more than one line
combined in different ways in different sources. Very difficult to
sort out.
This line of Greens is attested at various levels as being Cherokee
or part Cherokee. Some report it in the Green line of Meshack, and
others report that for Lucretia for the Franklin line. A prominent
Green branch is Gardner Green, who appears to be from this same
Green lineage. They claim to be fully Cherokee, but moved north to
the Midwest.
-- Gardner Green, http://www.gardnergreen.info/control.html
There are several lines of Greens in the Carolinas and Georgia.
Some have this John Green connected to my Green line, a son of
Meshack and Lucretia Green, thought to be of full or part Cherokee
descent. He may be a brother to my direct ancestor Daniel John
Green. In some genealogies, these two persons are combined under
the name of either John Green, Daniel Green or Daniel John Green,
with mixed details that seem to me to come from three different
Green lineages! No notes or explanations are found in any of these
confusing genealogies. I have had some direct contact from some
individuals in these genealogies who provided some few family
details on one or two individuals in their line. All my sources are
fully documented here.
One or two had identified this John Green with another unrelated
line of Greens in north Carolina. Members of that prominent Green
family in Rutherford County, South Carolina, are of European
background, and are also reported in this genealogy, associated with
the McSwains, Bridges, Padgetts, Moores and Washburns from
prerevolutionary times. Many of these Carolina families, however,
intermarried with the Cherokee, the populous indigenous people of
the Carolina area.
John Green b 1784
Father: Meshack GREEN b: 1720
Mother: Lucretia FRANKLIN b: ABT 1755
Marriage wife Charlotte b 1782
-- Ancestry Trees, Jess Headley,
http://awtc.ancestry.com/cgi-bin/igm.cgi?op=GET&db=:2716375&id=I26870
Some genealogies have information on Charlotte as Charlotte Brown,
with a nickname Lottie reported by some. But I have found no
parents for her. (One confused genealogy has parents named Green
for her, though her surname is Brown.)
"Charlotte had a daughter named Lucretia aka Lucressa aka Lucinda,
aka Cressy. She married a man named Adam Campbell. They are buried
on property off of Lake Smith Dam Road in Walker County Alabama.
Lucretia is my GG Grandmother."
-- Clint Norwood, note on the genealogy site, 1 July 2011
More genealogies have gradually come out providing reasonable
details that seem to reflect family sources, though they do not
provide documentation. The following one provides the maiden name
of John's wife Charlotte. Another indicates her nickname was
Lottie, a common nickname for Charlotte. This also provides a
middle name for their daughter Lucinda, which makes her named after
John's mother Lucretia. The name on Lucinda's gravestone is spelled
Lucresa.
John Green
Birth 1784 in Rocky River, Pendleton Dist, South Carolina
Death 8 Apr 1857 in Hall, Georgia
Spouse Charlotte Brown
Birth 1782 in South Carolina
Death 1860 in Gordon, Georgia
Daughter Lucinda Lucresa Green
Birth 09 May 1804 in North Carolina
Death 13 Sep 1862 in Smith Lake, Walker, Alabama
-- Rosenbaum/Driscoll,
http://trees.ancestry.com/tree/26471681/person/1969545353?ssrc=&ftm=1
Rocky River was the name of an old settlement on the railroad in
Pendleton District, South Carolina. The area is now in Anderson
County, one of the several divisions of old Pendleton in the 1800s.
Rocky River community was near the Rocky River, a few miles south of
the city of Anderson.
The data of death here is the same as for a Daniel John Green,
reported by many genealogies as a son of this same Meshack and
Lucretia. It had seemed odd before that there was a Daniel John and
John who were brothers, though many families in this era reused the
same names for two of their children. However, reported wives and
children of John Green and Daniel John Green were different. Both
are reported to have had a son named John, both born about 1800.
Otherwise there is no similarity to reported children for the two.
But there is one genealogy that has the same family information for
John Green as above, but the man's name there is Daniel John. Most
of these genealogies have incomplete families, so the family
configurations are not definitive. I do think the same death date
indicates perhaps a confusion of two persons or a confusion in the
naming. I may have misinterpolated information from these spotty
sources, as may have some of the other more complete genealogies I
have more recently found and drawn upon!
1860 Federal Census, Platte County, Missouri, 4 August, Lee Township,
PO Farley, page 164, Hse #1166, Fam #1153
Tip Green 25 M Farmer Missouri [abt 1835]
Hilie Green 24 F b Missouri [abt 1836]
John Green 8 M b Missouri [abt 1852]
1880 Federal Census, Bosque County, Texas, 11 June, District 14,
page 30, Hse #263, Fam #270
Green, John W M 25 Farmer MO MO MO
Green, Jane W F 20 Wife Keeping House AR MS MS
Green, William E W M 2 TX MO AR
1900 Federal Census, Faulkner County, Arkansas, 15 June, Cypress
Township, District 27, Page 7B, House #138, Family #142
Green, John Head W M Feb 1851 49 Married 22 years MO MO TN Farmer
Owns Farm
Green, Margaret J Wife W F Nov 1858 41 Married 22 years 9
children/8 living MO TN TN
Green, James I Son W M Nov 1880 19 Single TX MO MO Farm Laborer
Green, Myttle [sic] L Dau W F Mar 1884 16 Single TX MO MO
Green, Gertrude M Dau W F Jan 1887 13 Single MO MO MO
Green, Allen F Son W M May 1889 11 Single AR MO MO
Green, Gracie M Dau W F May 1891 9 Single MO MO MO
Green, Arthur E W M Jan 1894 6 Single AR MO MO
Green, Allma B Son W M Sept 1898 1 Single AR MO MO
1910 Federal Census, Garvin County, Oklahoma, 28 April, Whitebead
Township, District 88, page 5B, Hse/Fam #73
Green, John Head M W 59 Married 32 years MO MO TN Farmer Rents [b
abt 1851]
Green, Margarete J Wife F W 52 Married 32 years 10 children/9 living
MO TN TN [b abt 1858]
Rix, Myrtle L Dau F W 26 Marriage 1 Married 3 years 1/1 child TX MO
MO [b abt 1884]
Green, Missouri G Dau F W 23 Single MO MO MO [b abt 1887]
Green, Frederick A Son M W 20 Single AR MO MO Farm Laborer [b abt
1890]
Green, Arthur E Son M W 16 Single AR MO MO Farm Laborer [b abt 1894]
Green, Almer B Son M W 11 Single AR MO MO Farm Laborer [b abt 1899]
Green, Coy J Son M W 8 Single AR MO MO Farm Laborer [b abt 1892]
Rix, John E Grandson M W 1yr10mos OK MS TX [b abt Aug 1908]
1920 Federal Census, Garvin County, Oklahoma, 5 March, Stratford,
District 35, page 9A, Hse #133, Fam #134
Green, John Head Rents M W 69 Married MO MO MO Farmer
Green, Margarite J Wife F W 61 Married MO MO MO No Occupation
Green, Gertrude Dau F W 27 Single MO MO MO No Occupation
Green, Coy J Son M W 18 Single AR MO MO No Occupation
Ricks, Myrtle Dau M W 30 Divorced TX MO MO No Occupation
Ricks, John E Grandson M W 11 Single TX MO MO No Occupation
Missouri is now apparently going by her middle name, Gertrude. Note
the spelling of John's wife's name in 1920, Margarite. (The writing
might have meant to spell it Marguerite, the standard form. But the
E is missing.) This could be the proper form of her name, since in
1910, it was spelled Margarete, representing the same pronunciation.
Living next door is John and Margarete's son Frederick. He has a
daughter named after his mother. Her name appears to be written
Marguite, which likely meant Marguerite.
1920 Federal Census, Garvin County, Oklahoma, 5 March, Stratford,
District 35, page 9A, Hse #134, Fam #135
Green, Fredrick Head (Status of Farm Unknown) M W 30 Married AR MO
MO Farm Laborer
Green, Myrtle Wife F W 25 Married AR MO AR No Occupation
Green, Obed Son M W 5 Single OK AR AR No Occupation
Green, Inez Dau F W 3 Single OK AR AR No Occupation
Green, Marguerite Dau F W 9 months Colorado AR AR No Occupation
In 1930 Margaret's name is spelled in the simple English way.
Interestingly, now Myrtle is reported as a widow. Gertrude
(Missouri) has been married and widowed with no children since the
last census. The enumerator does not tell us the age of first
marriage for the two widows.
1930 Federal Census, Murray County, Oklahoma, 4 April, Allen
Township, District 1, page 2A, Hse/#16
Greene, John Head Rents 79 First married at age 26 MO MO TN Farmer
Greene, Margaret J 71 First married at age 19 MO TN TN No
Occupation
Ricks, Myrtle Dau 46 Widowed TX MO MO No Occupation
Ricks, John E Grandson 21 Single OK MS TX Farm Laborer
Mahan, Gertrude Dau 43 Widowed MO MO MO No
Occupation
1860 Federal Census, Cleveland County, North Carolina, 21 August,
page 159 (scan 396), Hse/Fam #1146
Reubin Greene 36 M Farmer $400 Real Estate $348 Personal b NC
Juda Greene 32 F NC Cannot read or write
John Greene 1 M
NC
In the 1900 census, Susan is reported to have borne 6 children, and 6
are living. In 1910, this changes to borne 6, only 5 living. This
is consistent with the loss of John from the family listing in the
1910 census.
Death Notes
Citation Text: Is in the 1900 census, but does not appear with the
family in the 1910 census
John Green and Judith Moore McSwain gave four of their children the
middle name of McSwain:
George McSwain Green
Hannah McSwain Green
James McSwain Green
Judith McSwain Green
Four additional children are reported by a McSwain-Green-Moore
genealogy on RootsWeb:
Eunice Green b 1819 Rutherford County, North Carolina
John Green b 1832
Joseph G Green b 30 Dec 1833 Rutherford County, North Carolina
Thomas Green b 1836 Rutherford County, North Carolina
-- McSwain-Green-Moore,
http://worldconnect.genealogy.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/igm.cgi?op=GET&db=:2944410&id=I374
This same source also reports John's middle name: John Elias Green.
This source has deciphered the gravesite death date as 1793 rather
than 1798. The 8 and 3 are often difficult to distinguish on old
gravestones. The date of 1793 matches the census records for Elias
Green in the 1850 Cleveland County, North Carolina, census, where he
is 57 years old.
I found Elias Green, with details matching John or John Elias Green,
in the 1850 census, in a line of houses including many McSwain and
Green households in Cleveland County, North Carolina.
1850 Federal Census, Cleveland County, North Carolina, 27 August,
page 296-297 (scan 148-149), Hse/Fam #473
Elias Green 57 M Farmer $1000 Real Estate born North Carolina [b abt
1793]
-- page 297 --
Judea [Judith/Judy] Green 52 F born North Carolina [b abt 1798]
James M Green 23 M Farmer [No Real Estate value] born North Carolina
[b abt 1827]
John Green 17 M Farmer born North Carolina [b abt 1833]
Joseph Green 18 M Farmer born North Carolina [b abt 1832]
Thomas Green 14 M born North Carolina [b abt 1836]
Nicy Green 12 F born North Carolina [b abt 1838]
Nicy here matches Eunice Green in the genealogy. Nicy/Nicey is a
common nickname in this period for the name Eunice. It also appears
as Eunicey or Unicey.
1860 Federal Census, Cleveland County, North Carolina, 10 August,
page 128 (scan 380B), Hse/Fam #918
John Green Sr 66 M Farmer $1065 Real Estate $2414 Personal born
North Carolina [b abt 1794]
Juda [Judith/Judy] Green 62 F born North Carolina Cannot read or
write [b abt 1798]
In 1860 John is sharing a household with his brother Thomas. Both
men are marreid and have two chidlren. Matt Cornwell tells us that
John married Sarah Boswell McSwain in 1852. The two older chidlren
in this census report are theirs: Clemens, age 5 and L L age 4.
Both wives are unable to read or write.
1860 Federal Census, Cleveland County, North Carolina, 11 August,
page 129 (scan 381), Hse/Fam # 922
Thomas Green Jr 24 M Farmer $300 Real Estate $195 Personal b NC
Susan Green 23 F b NC Cannot read or write
John Green 28 M b NC $315 Real Estate $247 Personal
Sarah Green 25 F b NC Cannot read or write
Clemens Green 5 M b NC
L L Green 4 F b NC
Jas M Green 2 M b NC
Wm D F Green 6 months M b
NC
1880 Federal Census, Cleveland County, North Carolina, 9 June,
Township 2, page 13A (scan p 475), Hse #122, Fam #128
Green, John H W M 21 Farm Laborer NC NC NC [b abt 1859]
Green, Cyntha W F 25 Wife Keeping House NC NC NC [b abt 1855]
John and Cyntha are living next door to his parents. In 1900, just
before the census, John's mother Matilda died, and at census time in
June, his father Wililam is living with them.
1900 Federal Census, Cleveland County, North Carolina, 13 June,
Township 2, District 49, page 9B, Hse #160, Fam #161
Green, John H Head W M Dec 1857 42 Married 23 years NC NC NC Farmer
Owns
Green, Cyntha H Wife W M March 1856 44 Married 23 years 11
children/6 living NC NC NC
Green, Lillie L Dau W F Sept 1884 15 Single NC NC NC
Green, William H Father W M June 1822 77 Widowed Married 54 years NC
NC NC Farmer
John H. Greene
Birth Dec. 14, 1857
Death Jun. 12, 1940
s/o William H. & Mathilda C. Bridges Green
Spouses:
J. Cynthia McSwain Greene (1853 - 1915)
Martha Elizabeth Padgett Greene (1856 - 1930)
Daughter Lillie Lucinda Green Harris (1884 - 1971)
Burial:
Trinity Baptist Church Cemetery, Mooresboro, Cleveland County, North
Carolina
Created by Elizabeth Jan 10, 2009
-- Find A Grave Memorial# 32811704,
http://www.findagrave.com/cgi-bin/fg.cgi?page=gr&GRid=32811704
1850 Federal Census, Rutherford County, North Carolina, 20 September,
Piney Mountain, page 335B, Hse #1507, Fam #1557
William H Green 28 M b North Carolina
Didama Green 28 F b North Carolina
John Green 6 M b North Carolina
1860 Federal Census, Cleveland County, North Carolina, 21 July, page
159 (scan 396), Hse/Fam #1143
Wm H Greene 37 M Farmer born N Carolina [b abt 1823]
Didema Greene 37 F born N Carolina [b abt 1823] Cannot read or write
John L Greene 15 M born N Carolina [b abt 1845]
1880 Federal Census, Cleveland County, North Carolina, 16 June,
Colfax Township, District 161, page 11 (Scan 502C), Hse #94, Fam
#103
Green, John L W M 35 Husband Farming NC NC NC [b abt 1845]
Green, Sarah M W F 33 Wife Keeping House NC NC NC [b abt 1809]
Green, Unicia R W F 14 Dau Attended School Cannot Write NC NC NC [b
abt 1866]
Green, Noah A W M 12 Son Attended School Cannot Write NC NC NC [b
abt 1866]
Green, Mary M W F 10 Dau Attended School Cannot Write NC NC NC [b
abt 1870]
Green, Hannah L W F 9 Dau Attended School NC NC NC [b abt 1871]
Green, Ella M W F 5 Dau Attended School NC NC NC [b abt 1875]
Green, Martin Luther W M 1 Son NC NC NC [b abt 1879]
John Landrum Green was a police constable in Rutherford County,
North Carolina. The following story of his death is found on the
Officer Down Memorial Page,
http://www.odmp.org/officer.php?oid-18957.
Rutherford County Constable's Office
North Carolina
End of Watch: Sunday, March 13, 1898
Age: 53
Incident Details
Cause of Death: Gunfire
Date of Incident: Sunday, March 13, 1898
Weapon Used: Handgun
Suspect Info: Shot and Killed
Constable john Green was shot and mortally wounded by a man he was
attempting to arrest near Henrietta.
The suspect was wanted for wife beating in South Carolina.
Constable Green was able to return fire hitting the suspect three
times, killing him instantly. Constable died from his wounds an
hour later.
Constable Green was survived by his wife and several children. He
was a Civil War Veteran, having served with the North Carolina 28th
Infantry Regiment, Company H.
Joseph died before the 1880 census, when we find Sarah Green as the
head of the household, with only some of her children. The
household includes her married daughter Patience J and her husband
George G McSwain, listed as part of the same family. Additionally,
as a separate family in the same household is James Green, whom I
would expect to be also a child of Sarah and Joseph. But I do not
have earlier information on a son named James, who at age 26 in this
census, should have been born in about 1854, two years before
Patience. In the 1860 census, when Patience appears as the oldest
child at age 4 (born abt 1856).
In the 1870 census, Joseph is reported as 10 years old, yet in 1880
he is only 18. I am reporting his birth year based on the earlier
census.
1900 Federal Census, Cleveland County, North Carolina, 21 June,
Township 2, District 66, page 2B, Boiling Springs, Hse #283, Fam
#285
Green, Reuben H Head W M Aug 1823 76 Married 55 years Farmer NC
NC NC Farmer
Green, Judith M Wife W F July 1829 70 Married 55 years 12
children/6 living NC NC NC
Green, Judith Dau W F Feb 1861 38 Single NC NC NC Farm
Laborer