Notes for Hamon LE STRANGE


The Le Strange Website states that Hamon had no children.  It is not
clear if he married.
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Notes for Hamon LE STRANGE


Dates of death given by two sources do not mesh with birth dates of
the children. The Le Strange Website reports that Hamon died about
1317, and an anonymous One World Tree reports a date of 1316.  But
the date of birth of the sons is given in sources as 1325.  The Le
Strange Website indicates that brothers Edmund and Hamon are twins,
but gives no date.  The anonymous One World Tree gives the date of
1325.  This date seems reasonable, and lacking a date form more
credible sources I am using that date for the birth of the twins.  I
am reporting no date of death for their father Sir Hamon  This is
one of the common difficulties in trying to sort out these families.
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Notes for Hawyse LE STRANGE


The Tudorplace information on the Le Strange family has Hawyse
(Hawise) as the wife of Griffith ap Wennonwen, and mother of Owen ap
Griffith de la Pole, Prince of Powys.  Others have her as the wife
of Owen.  Because of the careful detail and explanations I find in
the Tudorplace Le Strange genealogy, I am following that on this
question.

The dates given for the marriage of Griffith ap Wennonwen to Hawyse
Le Strange would mean she was married at age 8.  This seems strange,
but child marriage was a common pattern among the Norman and other
nobility in the Middle Ages.  Few details are available in sources,
so I am following this information from the Tudorplace genealogy,
until I find more firm information that provides a better date or
additional information to clarify this situation.
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Notes for Henry LE STRANGE


Some genealogies show this Henry Le Strange (born 1432) as a son of
John Le Strange (born 1387) and a brother to Roger Le Strange (born
1412).  This seems to be an error, however, according to the Le
Strange dynasty lineage on the Le Strange Family Website.  I am
following their information to show Henry as a son of Robert and
grandson of John.  The age of Robert using the dates of birth
commonly shown in genealogies matches for this relationship, with
Robert being about 20 years old (born 1412) at the reported year of
birth of Henry (born 1432).

The Tudorplace Le Strange genealogy gives a marriage date of "abt
1434" for Roger le Strange and Jane (Joan) Beke.  But the Le Strange
(of Hunstanton) Website, which has no marriage date, gives the birth
date for Henry as 1431.  An anonymous source, with no documentation
included, provides a date of 1432 for Henry's birth, still earlier
than the reported marriage of his parents.   The Tudorplace date for
Henry's birth is also 1432.

Henry Le STRANGE of Hunstanton (Sir)
Born: 1432, Hunstanton, Norfolk, England
Died: 25 Nov 1485, Hunstanton, Norfolk, England
Father: Roger Le STRANGE of Hunstanton
Mother: Jane BEKE
Married: Catherine DRURY ABT 1465
--  Tudorplace, http://www.tudorplace.com.ar/STRANGE.htm#Henry Le
STRANGE of Hunstanton (Sir)1

The Tudorplace site also reports the birth date of 1432 for Henry,
with no comment or explanation.  They have Roger's son John born in
1435 and Hamon in 1441.  Clues can be gleaned from these sites, but
the lack of specific documentation or discussion limits the
credibility and authority of such sites.

Other children of John were born in the ear of 1412-17.  It does not
seem likely there was a long break of 15 years, then Henry was born. 
Reported dates of birth for Henry match the years of marriage of
Roger and Joan and their children more closely.  The birth of
Roger's first son John is pretty commonly reported as about 1435. 
Leaning towards Henry's identity as a son of Roger, rather than
Roger's father John, I have estimated the birth year for Henry to be
after the marriage date and birth of brother John within a year in
1435.

In regard to the Tudorplace date of birth for Henry, It seems odd
that a sources that reports him as the son of Roger and Joan would
still report a date of birth before their marriage.  This seems
highly unlikely for a noble family, at least officially.  Henry
appears in all references to be considered a legitimate heir.  We
would expect the term Fitz to be included in his family name if he
was illegitimate.

Originally the term Fitz (as in the famous Fitzalan family) was used
in its rightful meaning as Son of, comparable to the Irish-Scots
Mac, Welsh Ap and the French De with father's name.  The term Fitz
(Germanic-Norman for "son of") came to be used to identify an
illegitimate son.  This practice arose because it was commonly
accepted that kings and noble men would have concubines and
mistresses.  The formalities of monogamy required by the Roman
Church were honored officially by limiting inheritance of feudal
lands and titles to legitimate first sons, or lacking sons, in many
cases, to the daughters in order of birth.

Illegitimate sons would be given their own estates and thus the
common feudal title of Lord, but with no styling of a dynastic
Barony.  In some cases, however, kings would bestow (or have
Parliament bestow) baronies upon such a Fitzroy (son of the King) or
Fitzpatrick (son of a noble) in his own right.

Such a name-form is not used in sources for Henry Le
Strange.
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Notes for Hoel LE STRANGE


Most sources report no place of birth for Hoel.  I have followed the
Astill Family Tree, since all we know about his descendants is
related to Norfolk.  There is much legend associated with this
character, and many popular genealogies have tried to associate him
with Hoel V, Count of Cornouaille in Brittany.  This may be so, but
it appears to be an attempt to prise this historical figure into the
mold of the medieval romance tale that associates Guy Le Strange
with the Count of Brittany.  Most sources I have seen seem to force
this connection to make Hoel Le Strange the same person as Hoel V of
Brittany.
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Notes for Joan 9th Lady Strange of Knockin LE STRANGE


Through Joan, the Barony of Strange of Knockin passes into the
Stanley family when she marries George Stanley.  Joan inherited the
title of 9th Baroness Lady Strange Strange of Knockin.  Her husband
George become the 9th Lord Strange of Knockin.  Their son Thomas
Stanley was the 2nd Earl of Derby and became the 10th Lord Strange
of Knockin.
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Notes for John LE STRANGE


The Tudorplace Le Strange genealogy has excellent historical detail
on this John Le Strange and his relationships and his involvement in
the royal affairs and changes of government in England.  He was
associated with Kings Richard II and Henry IV and Henry, Earl of
Derby (son of John of Gaunt, who became the King of Castille through
marriage).
-- http://www.tudorplace.com.ar/STRANGE.htm
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Notes for John LE STRANGE


There is a discrepancy between the Hunstanton Le Strange Website and
the Tudorplace Le Strange genealogy on the birth place of Roger and
John, the children of Henry Le Strange and Catherine Drury.  They
agree that Robert was born in Elsing Hall (his title is Robert Le
Strange of Elsing).

But the Le Strange website reports Elsing Hall for the two brothers
as well, and has no location for sister Ann.  The Tudorplace
genealogy reports different birthplaces for the three brothers,
while Ann was born on the same estate as Roger, Pakenham.

John is styled, in the common form related to birth estate, John Le
Strange of Massingham.

I am following the Tudorplace source, which has much careful detail
and explanation, while the Le Strange website is spotty and
inconsistent and lacks many dates and other details.
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Notes for John LE STRANGE


Some genealogies I have seen show Roger (born abt 1412) and Henry
(born 1432) as brothers, both being sons of John (born 1387). 
However, the Le Strange Website genealogy, showing the lineage of
the Knockin-Hunstanton family, reports that Henry is the SON of
Roger.  This would match the birth dates given in the other sources. 
At the reported birth year of Henry, Roger, son of John would be
about 20.  This seems to be the reasonable resolution of this.

I am following the Le Strange dynasty genealogy on this and
reporting Henry (born 1432) as son of Roger (born abt 1412) son of
John (born 1387).

It gets quite confusing tying to line out and keep straight the
generations of this family, because almost every son gives almost
the same names in every generation to his sons.
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